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The Editor's Desk

Post by Serethil » Tue May 22, 2018 12:05 pm

Areial suggested a forum for the Writer's Craft - that is, links to self-publishing information and sites; links to book-cover sites and tools; to marketing strategy articles. In other words, a topic devoted to the nuts and bolts of getting books published.

So, we're off!
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Re: The Editors Desk

Post by Serethil » Tue May 22, 2018 12:14 pm

Loving fantasy since 1960 or so, FRPGs since 1975 (appx), and CRPGs since 1985....

When the Dark comes rising, six shall turn it back,
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Wood, bronze, iron; water, fire, stone:
Five will return, and one go on alone.

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Re: The Editors Desk

Post by Serethil » Tue May 22, 2018 12:14 pm

Loving fantasy since 1960 or so, FRPGs since 1975 (appx), and CRPGs since 1985....

When the Dark comes rising, six shall turn it back,
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Wood, bronze, iron; water, fire, stone:
Five will return, and one go on alone.

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Re: The Editors Desk

Post by Aireal » Tue May 22, 2018 12:15 pm

Awesome!

The Book Cover Designer

Cover Mint

Canva - design your own book cover free

Here are a couple of the book cover websites, I'll dig up a few of the other links.

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Re: The Editors Desk

Post by Aireal » Tue May 22, 2018 12:15 pm

5 steps to self publishing
This is from Book-Baby through Amazon, which may be the way I am going to go. It's the place I am leaning toward.. but I have more places to check and won't really decide until I have looked into many options..

Plus I need to get my "prologue" and the synopsis written.. and decide on a cover.

Edit: it's a 62 page download PDF.. but worth the read.. some is ok info.. some is great info..
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Re: The Editors Desk

Post by Serethil » Tue May 22, 2018 12:16 pm

Why don't you edit that into the second link post, since it's not covers?
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Post by Aireal » Tue May 22, 2018 12:17 pm

I actually meant Amazon book's not necessarily BookBaby, which is a paid service all around.
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Re: The Editors Desk

Post by Serethil » Tue May 22, 2018 12:17 pm

Yeah. I've looked at several paid services, but most of them are prohibitive either cost-wise or restriction-wise. I'll be going with amazon to begin with, then see where we go on from there to cover other e-reader formats.
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Post by Aireal » Tue May 22, 2018 12:17 pm

Can Amazon Self-Publishing make you money?

This is a short article, but hit's many of the main themes needed for self-publishing and has a couple links to other articles that are just as short, but informative in their own way.. and lead to other articles that.. yeah you can see how that's going.. it is a good thing!
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Post by Aireal » Tue May 22, 2018 12:18 pm

Yep.. I'm debating on which is the best service through Amazon, but also looking at LuLu and other places.. just because it's always good to look.

My next step is to actually look at some of the book's on Amazon and see what their thumb-nails and cover's look like, which are eye catching.. etc.. While I am figuring out the Prologue and Synopsis.
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Post by Aireal » Tue May 22, 2018 12:18 pm

One of the articles I read said that a detailed "glossary" would go a long way to explain "new world" creatures or even changes to people, places or events.

So that is what I worked on last night before I started playing, I am reading along starting with "A Different Reality" and when I run across a "new" character or being.. or even term, I add it to the Glossary, I am up to chapter 9.

I have also changed a couple thing's that add continuity later, Just a sentence or two, but I think it will make a difference in the long run.
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Re: The Editors Desk

Post by Serethil » Tue May 22, 2018 12:18 pm

I know that's a good thing - because I read Misty Lackey back when she was published the first time. Now, I would have been fine without the glossary - but when I went back to look at it, things made a lot more sense.
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Post by Aireal » Tue May 22, 2018 12:19 pm

I can't remember the name of the book now, but I remember the story very well ( and I can still see the cover art).. and until the end when I saw the Glossary, I was never sure what some of the thing's were that the Author was talking about. The second reading of the book made much more sense.

So the article hit a spot of memory and made a lot of sense to me.

Brief synopsis of the book
People land on planet, find a "humanoid" people.. they live a very agrarian way.. the people have three genders: male, female and neutral.. all children are born neutral.. it is referred to as Ke or Ker, until their body chooses a gender at puberty.

At first they are thought to be "pre-industrial, but later in the book it's found out that they are Post..

I read it in high school and don't remember a lot of the details.
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Post by Aireal » Tue May 22, 2018 12:19 pm

So I finished the "5 steps" book.. and reading both my book's.

I added and took out a couple lines here and there, to my book's.. mostly to make them read a bit better, but also to change a couple thing's I thought needed to be a bit different. I also added the POV to most pages.. will probably add it to most of the pages. Next I'm going to take notes, do the whole glossary thing.. and make sure the continuity is good (which some of the above took care of)

The 5 step book has a lot of good information, some of which I will not be following strictly because of the $$$... to edit ONE of my books professionally ( all the thing's you did Sis, plus continuity and scan, feedback & having it ebook and print ready) would cost around $1200+ .. Yeah, no.. I don't have that kinda money.. and won't borrow on that kinda spec. ( So I'll be doing most of that myself )

IMO even without going through very slowly.. I have seen less fribbles than in some printed books. and I will go through both 2 or more times..

<sigh> I came up with exactly what I want in cover art. That I can afford.. If I don't do them both at the exact same time.. which, is one of the thing's many of the articles say I should do.. ( get them out very closely together that is ). I am going to try and do what I want myself, but if I can't it's simple enough.

Matt cobalt blue background, with a "horse made of water" running ( 3/4s facing ) across the page..
something like this...
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Either Gold or Silver writing on the page.. I think silver as it would go better with blue.. but gold might stand out better.

The second book would be in a deep / red/ bronze.. with a dragon made of flames flying across the cover
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That letting would be gold.. as it would look really good against that background.

Simple.. but I think very eye catching.
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Re: The Editors Desk

Post by Serethil » Tue May 22, 2018 12:19 pm

Oh, those are EXCELLENT! Love them!
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Post by Aireal » Tue May 22, 2018 12:20 pm

Those are just idea's... can't use those exact images, as they are just "wallpaper".. plus not being exactly what I really want.

But I think it get's me a little closer to having thing's in order. I still have much research to do.. mainly in how to do the web-site.. not which one.. I think the Go-Daddy or something very similar is the best bet.. I am going to look at a couple ( as in .. as many as I can find.. reasonably ) Author's web-sites and see what a really good layout it.. what are good "fan" idea's and how to work them all.. plus if I can which sites they are using, as they obviously have the kind of layout I would need to use.
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Re: The Editors Desk

Post by Aireal » Tue May 22, 2018 12:20 pm

Don't laugh.. but here's my 1st attempt at blending two separate pictures into one. It need's work.. I know, but 1st attempt!
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Sun perspective is wrong ( and I hadn't meant it to be there at all.. eyes.. I want flame.. but.. pppffft... I haven't worked out the "water" effect yet, but next on the list!! and the shadow's a bit wonky.. I know what's wrong, I just need to figure it all out!!
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Re: The Editors Desk

Post by Brambleberry » Tue May 22, 2018 12:20 pm

FYI Matt cobalt blue background image is broken for me. :( Hmmm one before my post says image no longer available. Maybe because these are old copied posts. /shrug
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Re: The Editors Desk

Post by Serethil » Tue May 22, 2018 12:20 pm

No way would I laugh! I can't do ANYTHING like that! Looks really great to me!
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Post by Aireal » Tue May 22, 2018 12:21 pm

Thank you Sis.. Neil... That is the extent of my tutorial knowledge.. LoL... I need to watch the water one a few more times.. and then try on something simpler then see if I can't work it on the horse. Be a few days,
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